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to make some provision for the wages and some for variation between industries or you'll just have bedlam. You'll have very bad exploitation with the least advantaged people and you'll have a revolt on your hands with the labor people. They'll be wild. The people, such as the ones in the building trades, who have built up their wage rates for years aren't going to take thirty hours wages lying down.”

He said, “I think you're right. Go and see if you can't talk Black out of it.” This was before the NRA was consciously in my mind, and certainly before it was consciously in the president's mind. It was before I had discovered that these little groups were working on something big like that.

So it was in the first few weeks of the administration that I went to see Black. I asked Mr. Harriman to go along with me, because literally I didn't know my way around the Capitol. I didn't know how you called on a senator, except a Senator you know, like senator Wagner, or somebody else who you knew anyhow. So Harriman went up with me and he introduced me. We had a very nice talk with Black. It was then that he laid this all out. I didn't want to talk to Black any further before Mr. Harriman, so I asked him if I could come back. He said certainly he'd be delighted to

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