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Club, where I was staying then, at six o'clock. My dinner wasn't until eight, so I thought that if I saw them at six I would have an hour or more with them and then I could go from there to the dinner. I did not know the habits of the Women's University Club and that, following the regular Washington habit, everybody eats early. I may say that it was not a very exclusive club and the people who lived in the club were the kind of people who ate dinner at six o'clock. So the place was full. The tables were full. The little reception room was full. The big lounge was full. The place was just crammed. There wasn't a place to sit down when Hopkins and Hodson came. I finally spied a place. There was a big stairway that went up to the second floor and I spied a place under the stairway where there was a bench. I found another bench over by the telephone operator's board and asked if I could borrow it a kind of a stool. We sat cramped up, bent over, because the stairway was so low, on that bench and stool while Hopkins and Hodson laid out a plan for organized relief on a nationwide basis.

It was a good plan. It was well thought out. It was practical. Both of them, of course, were experienced relief administrators and organizers. What they had conceived could be done. Large parts of this plan had been