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to go right up to the oval Room on the second floor. I will escort you.”

I said to Susanne, “You better stay here. Just sit down here somewhere. She'll be all right here, won't she?”.

Mr. Hoover said, “Oh, yes.”

I went upstairs thinking that we were to have some kind of a meeting first. At any rate, the Cabinet was all there. The President was seated at his desk. The desk was then over next to the oval window that bows out into the portico, not where he later had it. Of course, the room was furnished the way it had been, not the way it later was when the Roosevelt's really moved in. There were some old secretaries with bookcase tops in two or three parts of the room. I remember thinking they were very handsome. They were very good old pieces that belonged to the White House and looked very good indeed. The room looked very good indeed. I may say that it looked better than it did later after President Roosevelt got to using it hard. It never looked so tidy again as it did that night. Everything was in perfect order. There were no stacks of papers, pictures and things around.

Some of the Cabinet hadn't come in yet. We all spoke to the president. Probably by the usher's arrangement we were all sort of standing around in a circle. Justice