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Benjamin Cardozo was there in his judicial robes. I remember being armed by Mr. Hoover, or one of the other ushers, and told to stand in a particular spot. We were in a kind of a circle. There were other people around in back. I had supposed that this was an entirely private meeting with the President and I hadn't thought of bringing Susanna up, but I saw that these people were the relatives - sons, daughters, wives - of the other members of the Cabinet. Just then Missy came up and said to me, “Wouldn't you like your daughter to come up for this swearing-in?”

I said, “Oh yes, if it can be, but she's downstairs.” Missy called an usher and told him to go down and get Miss Perkins' daughter. I said, “Do you know her when you see her?”

“Oh yes, we saw her yesterday afternoon,”

It is the duty of every usher to have a photographic image in his mind all the time of every Cabinet officer and every member of his family, also the duty of the Secret Service men who are there. They must know everybody. So they picked her out from the crowd downstairs perfectly. In a few minutes she was brought up. That was that. She Was very flustered and excited, I remember, and not knowing where she was being taken.

The President told us that he wanted us all to be