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with the teamplay. I didn't know about Roper. I never have known why he was selected. But he was all right. He didn't carry the ball, but he never played offside either. He was and awfully nice fellow to work with, although he was sometimes amused at the turns that things took, as they were so contrary to anything he'd ever heard of in the Wilson doctrine.

Homer Cummings was not a heavyweight, from my point of view. Cummings, however, was in favor of public works and the relief of the unemployed. He was well-disposed toward the idea of what we now call social security, but then didn't have any name. He was well-disposed towards labor legislation. He even at one time thought well of Black's thirty hour bill, which was crazy. Homer served his part very well.

There was, of course, a very brilliant, able, magnificent Assistant Attorney General, Harold Stephens. He's now a principal judge in the federal courts. He was brilliant, able, good, terrifically well educated and trained - the highest type of mind philosophically that we grow in America. He was a liberal in the truest sense of the word. I'm getting so tired of the use of the word “liberal” that I hate to use it at all. But in the old definition of liberal, as we though of it in Woodrow Wilson's day, a liberal was one who desired, and was willing to take some effort and make some sacrifices for, a state of society in which the largest