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whole time and thought to the Governor's political movements forward. So I wouldn't know. He might have been consulted all the time. He might have been close to Jim and close to the Governor.

I don't know what happened at Chicago. Baruch may have been around the convention and had great influence. Baruch usually was in the background or in attendance at Democratic conventions. I think that Baruch has deliberately chosen the in-the-background role. I don't know why definitely, but from my knowledge of the man I think he doesn't care to assume the actual operating responsibilities. Certainly by the time that Roosevelt was President, I'm sure that he didn't want to assume the operating responsibilities. Miss Coit says that at the time he was a little sick, that he was having some kind of inner infection, and that his doctors had told him not to take on too heavy a responsibility. That was in early '33. However, my impression of him was that he always wanted to be in the background. He preferred the background role, although during the First World War he had some high post under Wilson. However, Johnson did the work. That's how Johnson ever was known to anybody. Hugh Johnson did the work, or at least Hugh Johnson told me he did. That would bear out Baruch's thought that Johnson was his number three man. He went and did the