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Congress that affects people's lives without having a public hearing on it. You're going to adopt a code which will affect thousands of people's lives. You must have a public hearing on it. Congress has delegated this authority to you.”

“Oh, it's a crazy idea. It's a nuisance. If I can't decide it, then let the President appoint somebody else. If I'm not good enough, if I don't know enough. . . .” That was the line of talk.

I said, “But, Hugh, nobody knows enough. The whole idea is that in a society such as ours no one man is good enough, wise enough, imaginative enough, foreseeing enough, to adopt rigid regulations which affect the lives of thousands of people. We must, as public officers, submit ourselves humbly to the concept that in the apparatus of a public hearing there lies the safety for the people to protest, to suggest, or to cooperate - whichever they wish to do.

If they don't cooperate, it'll be a failure. You know that.”

Well, he didn't see it and thought the President would never require that. I had a number of talks with him about a number of matters which I saw would come up. So I was doing what the President had asked me to - watch Johnson. I kept very close to Johnson, watched him closely, saw a great deal of him, made a point of seeing him three