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He had the same kind of theoretical view about organization of employers. When there proved to be no particular trade organization in the fish hook industry, the first thing he suggested was that they form themselves a trade organization. He suggested to a number of industries that they form a trade organization. The mattress and bedding makers, I remember among other groups, didn't have a national trade organization. That he thought very important and he would urge them to form a trade organization. As he said, if we didn't have these trade unions and trade organizations, we'd have to form them.

I think it's correct to say that he thought in terms of organization charts, everything building to a pyramid, the top of which was primarily the President, and secondarily himself. He thought, I think, of the economic management of the country as being outside of, and having not much relationship to, the Congress or to the other elected officials. So far as he was concerned the whole system gave at least lip service to the superior responsibilities of the President. He thought of the economic structure and economic operations of the country as being something that should be separately developed and controlled, and not having much relationship to the political life of the country, which he understood to be represented by Congress and the elected President and the elected Governors.