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a little joke about the stuffy old Mrs. Swope, the pickle-eyed Mrs. Davis, and so on. He just thought it was killingly funny.

So, as I said, I just said, “Oh.” Then I said, “Now, look here, Mr. President, that's all right and I'm glad you like it, but Gerard Swope, will Davis, Hook, Henry Harriman, Watt and the rest are coming down here tomorrow, and if this is to have any publicity and not just be a blow-up with them mad you mustn't let them know you've had a preview of this thing, because they will be mad. They've prepared this very seriously. If you want good publicity on it, you've got to have them come into your office and present it to you. After they've presented it to you, then you thank them and have the publicity given out, but you don't let them, or the newspaper people, know that you've had a preview of it.”

He said, “I guess you're right, Frances.”

“It would make them sore if they thought that Mrs. Rosenberg and Miss Dickerman had gone up there and given you the tip-off on this. They think they've done a serious job.”

“Well,” he said, “I guess you're right. That's the way you have to treat people, isn't it?”

I said, “Well, they know they've done a serious job.”