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Anyhow, that was Mrs. Rosenberg's introduction to the President. They had never seen each other before. She made plenty good use of that. She's an entertaining person. She could tell him stories about things that he enjoyed. I'll never forget the time she told him all about the labor situation in New York City. This was a couple of years afterwards. He said, “You know, she's really wonderful. She put on an old raincoat and went down on the waterfront with Joe Ryan and sat around in the beer parlors and cafes where the longshoremen come in. What that woman didn't learn!”

I said, “That's fine. It was a good bedside story, wasn't it, Mr. President?”

“Oh,” he said, “you don't like?”

I said, “Yes, I like it all right, but there are plenty of people who could tell you those bedside stories. That was done years ago. That's old stuff, dressing up and looking like the working class, and then come back and tell great stories of what you heard. It's all right. It's one good way of getting information. We used to do that. Lots of people have done it. You can read all about that in Ray Stannard Baker and Lincoln Steffens. They wrote about things like that. The muckrakers all did that.”

As a matter of fact, the Consumers' League's investigators all did that. We didn't go sit in the waterfront cafes because