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and how she had done all this study. She jollied McIntyre. She jollied “Pa” Watson, and everybody else. She established herself as a friend of the President's who was to be admitted when she asked to be, like Gertrude Ely is. Gertrude Ely could always get to see the President. Barney Baruch could always get to see the President. Lots of people could get to see the President. Henry Bruere, for instance, could always get to see the President. These were all people that he liked and knew, and McIntyre knew that so he would let them in.

Anyway, that's how Mrs. Rosenberg got established. She used to come down to Washington and sort of let people know she was there. She imposed her presence upon the public. She began throwing her weight around and let it be known that she had influence. So she began to be talked about. All this took a period of years.

Then the labor men began to get mad. They began to say nasty, dirty things about her and the President. This was said to me and I was very disturbed, because I know how quickly those things can whirl around. I know how some labor people are. They can't analyze an acquaintanceship that's based on humor, enjoyment, and so forth. They only make one thing out of a situation that's based on that. It's either an official relationship or what? That's the way that put it - “So what's she there for? What's she come in one this conference for?”