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anybody. She's a perfectly moral woman. Mr. Rosenberg is a Salesman still. She always lived at home. She never came to Washington and took a job until she took this job under George Marshall. That was the first time she ever took a job in Washington and stayed here. Beardsley Ruml was one of her great backers and she had always had access to a suite which Ruml, and I guess the other R. H. Macy people who were a part of the same organization that Ruml belonged to, kept at the Hay-Adams House. I knew about that because I was living at the Hay-Adams part of that time between houses. When my house in California Street had to be given up to its owners, I stayed temporarily at the Hay-Adams House for two different periods.

I used to see Mrs. Rosenberg blowing in the morning at a time when you couldn't get a room in Washington to save your life and she'd say, “We have a suite here and I always have the key to it.” “We” was this Macy outfit. She worked with them. Beardsley Ruml always has backed her.

She's very smart. The best word to describe her is “smart.” She is that. Where she knew Marshall, I don't know. It was an astonishment to me when Marshall appointed her to be Assistant Secretary of Defense, because I didn't even know that he knew her. I yet don't know how he did know her, but he did. I remember that when the press came to me