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do. That's what you would be likely to get. I could see that. I decided it was better to keep the selection so that it could be the more intelligent and progressive people. But, of course, in my own heart I knew that I could consult with William Green and that I would consult with labor leaders themselves about it, not that I would ask them for suggestions, but that I would say, “What about ‘So-and-So?' Do you think he'd be helpful?” They'd always say, Yes. I knew they would.

Johnson finally agreed to that. This was before the NRA was passed. As a matter of fact, the fact that he had promised that was a great help to me in selling the program to the AF of L eventually. I had to be the one to reconcile them to it.

Then, of course, as we talked about this in these meetings, Lubin, Richberg and I realized something. Richberg, of course, was very close to the labor point of view and labor mind through his connection as counsel to the Brotherhoods. Lubin also knew labor leaders pretty well and he had a kind of theory of labor. He said, “There'll be great trouble here. This is a very dictatorial and could be a very tyrannical operation. What are you going to do about labor unions? The large part of this country where these codes and rules will be effective are not organized. There's no