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by it, but to recognize that he was one of the most thoughtful men in the trade union movement and I thought one of the few who would be able to understand his philosophical objections and perhaps make them clear.

Well, Hillman comported himself with great diplomacy that day. I realized before lunch was over and before we really began serious talk that Hillman had already sort of won his way into this man's good will. He was not offended by Hillman. He was asking him questions that brought out Hillman's more idealistic side. Hillman had a philosophical and religious background for his thinking which was just about as acute as “Mr. Avondale's” was. He had come from a different layer of society. He had come from a poor immigrant Jewish family, but they were an educated family. His father had been a cantor and Sidney Hillman himself had been destined to be a rabbi. He had the preliminary education for a rabbi, which is largely philosophical. He was thoroughly grounded in the Bible, and so forth, and could quote Scripture along with “Mr. Avondale.” He had a respect for religious and philosophical principles.

Arthur Wharton was a typical old-fashioned American, probably from Pennsylvania, Ohio or some such place as that, and just as American as he could be - not a trace of Irish in him, not a trace of any of these outsiders.