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out.” The fact that Joe Ryan “sold out” was all you'd get when you cuestioned them, To this day I don't know exactly how he “Gold out,” or what he did. But there was great animosity against him amoung the old members of the Internetional Longshoremen's Union, some of whom had stuck around and were still employed in the West Coast ports, in San Francisco, and to a much larger extent in the port of sattle, where it had never as fully disappeared. There hadn't been as much animosty against them there on the part of the employers. The largest part of the International Longshorsmen's Union on the West Coast was located in Seattle. That's where the largest local was. It wasn't universal by any seans, but it was a sizable union and you could find men in it who were bona fide union members and had been for many years.

So there was this little rumbling of trouble. We kept hearing about” it. The navy yard out there could bring news to the Navy Department that the longshoremon were making trouble - “making trouble” was what you would hear, with little sporadic strikes. The Navy Department, of course, always made a great stir about any such news as that, because I think in those days certainly the Navy people were likely to think of any strike as comparable