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himself. He was under strict orders not to do that kind of thing. He was out of it.

He recommended Jim Landis. He said, “He's after all the Dean of the Harvard Law School. He's young. He's modern. He's respected,” He hadn't got any tags on him as Roscoe Pound did have at the time he retired. Although Pound was greatly trusted, trusted by men like Clark and Stimson, still many people because he was liberal about some things had put tags on him. He suggested Landis. We discussed several other deans of law schools. I forget who was the dean of the Yale Law School at the time, but we thought about him.

We decided to ask Landis. I remember conferring with the Attorney General, or the Solicitor General, over the telephone asking if they thought this was a good idea. They thought it was an excellent idea, be cause everybody saw the incongruity of our walking in and trying to be the trial judge in this case which had been a matter of so much dramatic accusation.

I don't recall whether I asked the President about this or not, but I may have. I almost think I didn't. I may have sought the President's advice as to whether he thought this was a good idea and whether he thought Landis would be a good person. The President and I