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board that existed by the executives order and later moved on with the board created by the Wagner Act. At any rate, he made a place for himself in the Board and then stuck with the National Labor Relations Board. When Witt came in there in the beginning, nobody had any suspicion of him.

I became aware very quickly that there was some pretty “fancy thinking” about the so-called rights of the workers going on in the board when it was headed by Francis Biddle. I liked it less and less as I saw it in operation. That doesn't mean that I suspected they were Communist ideas. There are plenty of un-desirable things that can go on that have no relationship to communism at all. But I think I thought that Francis Biddle was one of these theoretical fellows who had never really known any labor people except politically. He'd been a bit in politics in Philadelphia. He knew a few trade unionists with whom he had been in contact in political ways. There were a few good, strong trade unions in Philadelphia. He was one of those intellectuals who gets a theoretical view of the working man, and the working man's hopes, fears, aspirations, desires, out of learned books.