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them what to do. It doesn't matter whether it is the government who is apparently well-disposed toward them, or a neighbor who is trying to beat them to some kind of a price arrangement. They just won't be told.

Well, Perkins was that kind of a man. He was very anxious to have his case taken up and Don Richberg was equally anxious not to have it taken up. I think there was some defect in his case. The original hearing hadn't been just right, or there hadn't been thirty days of advertising of the code, or something of that sort. There was a defect in the preliminary. But his goods did enter into interstate commerce. His industry had had a code committee appointed. I think that one of Mr. Perkins' complaints was that he didn't belong to this manufacturers' association. He didn't have to. There were several defects like that.

At any rate, the only cases that were anywhere near coming up were those two cases of very, very small people, engaged in very, very small and almost entirely local businesses. It was perfectly clear that the things manufactured by Mr. Perkins, which were metal objects, did enter into interstate commerce, in part, but most of them were sold locally. However, with regard to the Schechter case, it was with the greatest stretch