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was great loyalty to the NRA among its employees and among the code committees. There was a great sense of relief when Richberg took over, because at least Richberg didn't go off and disappear for days at a time. Richberg was a reasonable, calm man, who thought with his brain and not with his emotions. He understood what you said and listened to what you said. So the cods committee that dealt with him, and the administrators under him who had to deal with him, were greatly relieved. They loved Hugh Johnson, but they bewailed continuously his removal from reality and the fact that they never knew whether they got an idea into him or not. He was lovable. He was exciting at times. They never wanted to hurt him, but they were just about driven crazy. There was no intelligent, consecutive, logical, stable leadership.

Of course, Richberg was an entirely different person. He was very calm. He organized well. Hugh Johnson had brought Averell Harriman in, but Richberg let him take over more and more responsibility on the administrative side. It was going very well as an operation. But already the defects had come in in these small industries.

At any rate, Cummings was so insistent that this case was the end of it all, and the President gave me the