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The Schechter decision was 9-0 decision. We had had several other decisions earlier that were 4-5 on other cases. I don't remember them all, but there had been a series of 4-5 decisions. Cummings was raving about them all. I was saying, “We mustn't be discouraged, and let's try to salvage something from the NRA.”

But they said, “No, there's no sense in it, Miss Perkins. We'll waste money, time, efforts. The Supreme Court has said that it is over.” Today, as I sit here in 1953, I am sure that that was not what the Supreme Court meant the interpretation of their decision to be. At least, it was not the intention of Messrs. Hughes, Roberts and Stone. They had voted against it. I'm sure that that's so because a good many years later Justice Stone told me, “Why did the President and the Attorney General jump to the conclusion that there was no way out on the NRA case? I will admit that it was a rotten case, a very silly case to bring up before the court, but why did-they jump to the conclusion that there was no way out of the decision?”

I said, “I don't know, Mr. Stone. Was that an incorrect conclusion on their part?”

“Yes,” he said, “it was. There were plenty of