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specific plan, I was speaking the truth. So far as I knew, there was no such plan. I had never heard it. It certainly wasn't under any common discussion. I was aware of restiveness about the Court and entirely aware of the fact that the President would like some of them to retire. That was the simple way out.

Every time I went to New York Charles Burlingham would say to me, “Why doesn't Isaiah retire?” By Isaiah he meant Brandeis. He always called him Isaiah. He would say, “Why doesn't Isaiah retire and let the President appoint Felix to the Court?” Mr. Burlingham is very fond of Felix Frankfurter. Whether Mr. Burlingham disliked Brandeis, or not, I don't know. It was a name of derogation, all right. I think he thought that Justice Brandeis gave himself enormous moral and political airs and that he was only an average lawyer. The biblical Isaiah, I think, was a law-giver, as well as a ruler over men, and a great standard of propriety and spiritual and moral uplift. Anyhow, Burlingham certainly thought that Brandeis put on a good deal of show. He was particularly annoyed at the sort of reverent assemblies that would go to call on Mr. Brandeis by invitation on Sunday afternoons. You sought an interview with him as you would seek an interview with the Pope. Mr.