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Service. He was the first one who wanted to move the Employment Service out of the Department of Labor, and the Children's Bureau, abolishing the Woman's Bureau and putting it with the Bureau of Labor Statistics, then moving the Bureau of Labor Statistics into the Census Bureau. That was what he wanted to do. He had the most complete way of reorganizing the Department out of business.

At any rate, Smith thought he could do it better than Brownlow was doing it. His men didn't agree with some of the recommendations that Borwnlow had made. Smith started on this business, I thin, not from the love of personal power, but from the sense that Presidential control over operations - and this showed up in his espousal of the Manpower Commission - was not complete and was not really strong and unbeatable in the way we operated in this country, that each department aws too independent, that each department dealt directlty with the President, that there was no necessary harmonizing of the day to day, month to month operations. He did believe that that function could be performed through the Bureau of the Budget under Title II more successfully than in any other way, and that that should be done. That was what his purpose was in developing Title II, and getting great additional staff. I don't think they're through with doing that yet. They're still doing it.

The old Title I people, the people I always dealt with with great satisfaction, were pushed aside. I could get a great





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