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him, because it's a murder charge that has been made, and I know the material is available.”

I said, “Do tell me. If this is the case, I ought to know what it is.”

“I can't tell you, but if the President will instruct the Attorney General to look this matter up, they will find enough to convict John L. Lewis,” he said. “I know him to be guilty of the most terrible crimes.”

Interviewer:

I've heard this too. Did you ever find out?

Perkins:

Henry Stimson said this to me, and I begged him to tell me in detail. I said, “I don't know this. I haven't heard such a thing as this. I can see that it might be possible, but I know nothing about it.”

“Well,” he said, “I've spoken to the President.”

At any rate, he had told the President where this material was and that the Attorney General could get it. He had a very deep scorn of Lewis on this account. But he wasn't the one that was pressing the President for the Army to take over. It was the Army itself, the uniformed forces. It was the armed forces, that element of the outfit. There were plenty of them, you know--I can't think what their names were. It was Brehon Somervel and people like that, you know. I remember him as one person. Curiously, the names of the Army men that I dealt with at that time have all gone out of my





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