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Murray about Lee Pressman. I said, “I hope to goodness you're going to weed out Pressman and some one or two others who have come in under his advice, because I think they're going to ruin you. They're going to ruin the C.I.O. They're going to give it an awfully bad reputation, if nothing else, and they're very likely to double-cross you and work underhanded and plant something--one union to be opposed to another. They can do all kinds of things. You've seen them work in other unions. There's no reason why they shouldn't work in yours, and we know Pressman to be a Communist. We've seen it clearer and clearer.”

Murray said much the same thing to me: “I can control this man. I understand what he's about. I know what kind of a fellow he is, and I can control him.”

I even got Father Haas, who was a big man in Murray's eyes--he was a very devoted priest, you know, with a labor slant--I got him to speak to Murray about Pressman. Because I felt it was really very hazardous for them. But, that was their business. I'd warned them. What more could I do?

Murray didn't agree. He felt as Lewis did. I don't know, yet what it was that Pressman did for them. But you know, Pressman was at that time--I don't know anything about him now--one of the most flattering people imaginable, and he