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couldn't be the candidate. It had been decreed that he couldn't be.

How do you know that?

Well, I know that both Jim Farley and Frank Walker definitely told the President--both of them in my presence, and the President even turned to me for confirmation, “Do you think so?” They both said that you never can get away with Jimmy Byrnes. He must even dream of being nominated for anything where he's got to submit himself to the votes of the people of the United States. He was born a Roman Catholic, in a good Irish family. His mother was a widow woman and he was brought up right. Then, when he was about twenty-two or three, for reasons of social advancement and economic advancement too, he changed his religion and married a South Carolina lady, and that was that. He's never attacked the Roman church, so far as I know. He's never gone out and made speeches about it. He has tried to conceal the fact. You see, most people did not know this. But, as Jim Farley said, “They'll know soon enough if he's nominated for something.”

Jim Farley was in on this?

He was in on the discussions the first year, you know. No, he wasn't in on it here, but the first year he was in on it.