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Tommy Corcoran conceived a great admiration for him, and that was-translated towards Ickes. I think he kept mentioning him, he kept speaking of him, he kept bearing down hard, Ickes did--“Well now, this is the time to nominate Douglas.”

Why did all these things come up?

Because nobody knew who was going to be the Vice Presidential candidate. Henry Wallace was away. He had gone away and pulled himself out of the picture. Now, that didn't mean that he was out of the picture as a candidate. I mean, he told me before he want, “Certainly I'm a candidate, and it certainly is going to be all right.”

Was this interpreted as his turning his back on it in any way?

It was partially. It wasn't openly. But it was just-- you know--“He's not around. Does he want to be?”

You really think it's that significant that he left?

Oh, I think it's very significant. I don't think that he left because he was pulling out. I'm sure he thought he wasn't pulling out. He told me he wasn't. Certainly not. He expected to be nominated in the usual way and to be