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faith, and to lean over backwards to observe all the amenities, and to play as though there were just one organization. He really has to do it. He can't operate if he doesn't. He can't check on them and watch them, and look out for ill-judgment effectually, unless he has the right to ask them to resign. Wallace always said, “He had a perfect right to ask me to resign. That's all right. I don't mind that. That's all right.”

That was all I knew about that episode.

Interviewer:

You saw no change in Wallace?

Perkins:

I didn't see him much. After I got back here in the fall of '46, I saw him. Between the time that I left Labor and his resignation, that was almost a year--but I saw him in '45. I was here in Washington, through the winter. I went to I.L.O. in September, and I was there until after Christmas-- I was there until some time in early January. I came back here, and I had the Wallaces to dinner, and I had one or two medium-sized afternoon parties. I saw Wallace, but I didn't talk politics with him. Everything was going all right. Everything was going fine. I didn't have any idea that he'd changed his views at all. I'm not sure that he did. I don't know when his change came. I have never known when the change came over him.

I know when I warned him. I warned him before he ceased





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