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being Vice President not to put his faith in the legs of a horse. I did it again.

Were you warning him against anyone specifically?

Well, I was warning him against Beanie Baldwin and Lee Pressman and Bobby Watt and these gone-with-the-wind fellows, you know, that are in the labor movement. And Dubinsky and Hillman, even. I said, “They after all, are one small part of the labor movement. They are New York, exclusively. They have a little bit of an organization outside of New York, but they're New York unions, and they sound fine, but you can't rely on them. They'll knife you if you get in trouble.”

I think Adolph Berle has discussed this--hasn't he written about it, or has he just talked to me about it? Of course, you never know what Berle means by what he says. Hes so unctuous that it's awfully hard to know exactly what he's driving at under this symbolical, suspicious language he uses, you know. It's the way he proceeds.

About Wallace--you had no clue to a change in him?

I saw no change in him, but I didn't see him much.

At the time of the wedding, he wasn't showing off any change, at any rate. He was content. He was riding the top of the wave, at that time. I don't know when his change came.