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I don't mean a political change. I suspect a change in the man himself, an inherent change.

Well, I don't know about that--except that I know that when he got into this campaign (1948), he was a different type of person.

His diary changes. It started changing after the B.E.W. fight, and there was a marked change after the Convention of '44, and it continued through out the Truman Administration years.

Leading up to his Progressive Party period? Well, of course, I always thought that if he hadn't had this rupture of his relations with Truman and the Cabinet at that time, he might never have gone into the Progressive party.

Have you read that this rupture with Truman was premeditated--that he knew exactly what he was doing?

You think so?

I don't know.

Has anybody published that?

No. I just say, supposing you did read that in a book, what would you think of it?

Well, I wouldn't think that likely--because what