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out this whole business--maturity, awareness, economics, scientific spirit, everything.

Well, I don't know that it cancels out, but it certainly leaves an irregular operation. That was all I knew about that situation.

Then, you see, very shortly I took office in the Civil Service Commission, and began on that operation.

At our last meeting, you reminded me to remind you about Cordell Hull's trip to Europe, and Stettinius, and about your relationship with Gromyko.

These matters run into each other. The date? Well, you can locate the date when Cordell Hull went to Russia. It was during the War years, so it was after '41, but I don't know whether it was '42 or '43.

At any rate, Hull was going to Russia. It was known, but it was known very quietly. There was not a great fuss about it. He was going to talk to the Russian authorities about the United Nations project, you see. Hull had worked very hard at trying to set up some understanding of what the economic patterns of life were going to be like both in Europe and in Asia and in America, after the war. I think I've told you that he had this committee operating almost from the very beginning. I don't think he called it