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I said to him, on this occasion when he came to my office, “Oh, you were so stiff with us the other day. You frightened us to death.”

Then he laughed, you know, as though it was a terrible joke. It's very curious. I think it's part of their technique. He never said, “This is on the instructions of my Government, Madame,” which he might have said. But he didn't say that.

That's about all I think of about Gromyko.

Do you know anything more about U.S.-Russian relations on any level?

Oh, yes--about this whole I.L.O. thing, Yes, I do. I must have told you about that.

-Of course, we are getting up near now to the time when then preliminary meetings would be held, first at Dumbarton Oaks out here, and later the San Francisco Conference to set up the form of the United Nations. Now, of course this was one of the great and strong ideas of Roosevelt: to make the Peace before the War was over. To make the outlines of the Peace, you see; to make the pattern into which it would settle itself. That was why he pressed so hard and worked so hard, and had so many other people pressing, on the details of such an organization. Naturally, the Department of Labor was not working on the thing,