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except insofar as it related to the I.L.O. or other labor representation, or other labor ideas that should be interposed.

At any rate, before ever they went to San Francisco-- You see, we had in the meantime had a meeting of the I.L.O. here in this country, a meeting of what was available of the I.L.O. We'd had two meetings, one in '41 in New York City at Columbia, which was all that was then available. I mean, the call was sent out by the usual mail processes to all members, and some of course never received their messages and some couldn't leave their countries. Some of them were prisoners. Some of them were in hiding. Some of them were deeply involved in underground operations. We knew we wouldn't get a full meeting. It was done to keep the I.L.O. alive. We'd had this meeting in '41. I know it was in October of '41, because we hadn't gone into the War.

Then we had another meeting of the I.L.O. in Philadelphia, which was much more carefully arranged and had much more general representation. It was not just an act of faith and a shot in the dark, but had been carefully worked out, and the proper agenda set up, and the proper preliminary operations in Philadelphia. A big staff of the I.L.O. came down and did everything that should be done. While we did not have what could be called complete representation from every country, because in some countries they couldn't arrange it, surprisingly a very large proportion of the former