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idea of development of trade between the countries as a basis for peace.

Interviewer:

Did that foreshadow the idea of Point 4?

Perkins:

Certainly. Oh, certainly it does! This resolution about that was introduced by Walter Nash of New Zealand, the former Premier of New Zealand. We had fine representation from New Zealand and Australia. Menzies was there and his wife, who was very peculiar. Mrs. Nash had to kind of take care of her. We had very fine English and French representation. Pierre Wallen came over, the old French employers' delegate who is as faithful as a dog to the I.L.O., and has done a great deal for it, really. And old Monsieur Viulpe was there, who had been an employee of, I guess, the employers' organization. Anyhow, he'd been a French Government officer, and he had been a behind the scenes, pull-wires person for the I.L.O., and had made a great many enemies in the I.L.O., but was also extremely faithful.

Well, we'd had these meetings, and the result was that the I.L.O. was going strong, and in the I.L.O. there had been a great deal of discussion at these meetings about the future of it and about its position in the United Nations. The I.L.O. itself had agreed to what its position should be, and had absolutely laid down the rule. This they left to the rest of us to perform: that the I.L.O. should retain





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