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find out in a minute. It wasn't Isador Lubin, because he was working for the President then. He was over in the President's office, and he wasn't at my disposal. I might have sent Dan Tracy, who was then Assistant Secretary of Labor. It wouldn't have been surprising if I did, because he was very intelligent and able to follow a memorandum very carefully and had good diplomatic sense.

At any rate I had a daily or nearly daily report, telephone conversations two or three times a week about how things were going. I can't remember why I didn't go myself. I think no Cabinet officers went, except Stettinius. I think it was regarded as rather bad form. Because we were in a peculiar position. We were Roosevelt's Cabinet. We had been asked to stay on for a while by Mr. Truman, and we were staying on, but we were not by any means running the show. You know, we weren't going to step out of our role and run the show. All the preparation had been done.

I took up with Mr. Truman the I.L.O. early, because I was anxious to have him understand. Since Roosevelt had said OK, he said OK. His theory was, whatever Roosevelt had agreed to, he would agree to, without any further thought, and then he would go on from there. That was a very satisfactory situation, both with the British and with other people, because they knew then that what Roosevelt had promised them, Truman would carry out.

Well, that's all about the I.L.O., I guess. It got set