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I may say my successor, Mr. Schwellenbach, was a little surprised when he found the letter. I don't know that he wanted to go himself. I don't think he did, because he didn't know anything about it, and he was completely absorbed in other matters by the time the thing came off. He would just have made a stage speech, you know, and then he'd have come home right away. I wanted to go as a working delegate, as the head of the delegation, naturally.

Who were the other members?

Elmer Thomas of Utah was the other Government delegate. Robert Watt was the labor delegate, and Zellerbach was the employer delegate. I'd been of course to other meetings--before the War, I'd been to other I.L.O. meetings. I guess Henry Dennison was dead by this time. I seem to think he was there, though, curiously, as an advisor. We had a very interesting group. You see, the advisors are just as interesting and just as important, really, as anybody else. There was the usual C.I.O. person--I've forgotten who that was, but he was a good fellow.

David Saposs?

Oh, no! He was no C.I.O. and he was no labor man. Gosh, we had labor men! We didn't have phony economists