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world conference--you know, you'd have thought it had no rhyme or reason. And it didn't have any rhyme or reason, but it was politically and diplomatically good stuff, as said by Tom Connally. He got them to vote it down on the ground that the A.F. of L. was against it!

It was really just killing, but his hunch was right, you see. You put it down to the groups that would be for and the groups that would be against.

Well, this was what I had done in London. Hillman was about to go to Russia, so I only saw him once or perhaps twice. He was, I thought, very much excited by the whole thing. There were a lot of other people there. There was Blacky -- a labor man, a very harum-skarum one that had been under indictment for various things and we had deep suspicions of him being a Communist. We didn't know what he was.

We were Government delegates, of course, and government visitors. Remember, the War was just over. Everything was still rationed. The people of Paris were very nearly starving-- I mean, there was very little food in Paris, very little food. In the putting up of the delegates of the I.L.O., the pattern that had been agreed upon by all the Governments and the French Government was that each delegation should be put up in a hotel which was engaged by the diplomatic personnel of that country, and if possible by the military personnel of that country. The food was provided entirely by the country,