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to get away.

I discovered last night, by the way, and I brought it down, a copy of the proceedings of the World Federation of Trade Unions that was held just before we came there, and also the constitution of the World Federation of Trade Unions, and some pamphlets that appeared to be I.L.O. pamphlets in preparation for this meeting or I.L.O. reports of this meeting. They will be in my papers file. I've put them there. I found them in some things I was looking over.

Interviewer:

Was there anything particularly significant about the last sessions of the I.L.O.?

Perkins:

Well yes, there were certain things. There were certain very hot and difficult situations. Nothing that comes to my mind, though.

The tense underlying feeling was a doubt about what these Communists were going to do. It already had begun. They were not normal. They were not like other people. I told you the Hungarians wouldn't speak to us, and then finally did. I met that same Hungarian, by the way, in Geneva in 1952 and he was quite fat and jolly and had gotten all over his shyness, and he greated me like an old and long-lost friend. But he was now a successful Communist instead of being a Communist on the make in Hungary--you know? That was probably the difference. But I was delighted to see them. I mean, it was





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