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Marx. And the Church is no more opposed to them now than it always has been. I don't think there's anything new in this. They merely are more vigorous in their organization of Christian Trade Unions. And as I told you, the men who are at the head of the Christian Trade Unions are admirable people, and they always come to the I.L.O. I mean, they send delegates to the I.L.O. One year the labor delegate from Belgium will be a member of the Christian Trade Union. The next year he'll be a member of the Socialist Trade Union. And it's the same way from Denmark and the Netherlands.

But you noticed no particular strife --it's just a competitive organizing situation.

Yes, and no strife in it at all. There's perfect cooperation. Not at all the kind of strife that we used to have between the A.F. of L. and the C.I.O., when we used to have a hard time reconciling them to go as advisors, you see. We tried to do the same thing! The A.F. of L. one year, C.I.O. another. Oh, nothing doing. They wouldn't stand for that. And finally the C.I.O. took a self-denying ordinance and said, all right, they'd go as advisors, so long as really did appoint them as advisers. And we always did. We did that deliberately.

No, I became very well impressed with the Christian Trade Unions, and with the priests who were active in them, and