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was at the I.L.O. a good many times, part of the time-- Paul Van Zeeland. He's a Fleming. He really helped me to understand the Flemings, more than most people have. The Boels are Flemings. Madame Boel is the President of a world organization of women. I think that's what it's called: the World Organization of Women. It isn't awfully important-- I mean, it started to be very important, but it just didn't get the right people in America or in England. It's got a lot of members in America who belong to the World Federation, and they're just delighted with it. They had a big conference here. Business Boel came over. There are many more Europeans than there are Americans in it. It's a women's rights organization of a mild kind.

The Roman Church does not oppose the trade unions, but seeks to Christianize them, and I think perhaps with some reason, in a country where the non-Catholics are mostly agnostics, you see--whose actions are taken without--well, I don't like to say without really considering the moral consequences, but are taken without too much consideration of the moral aspects of their actions. At least, this was my impression that I got in '45, and I've been thinking about it since.

I saw a great many people who had been in the Underground, and I got an enormous respect for the tenacity and doggedness of the Belgians. I got this curious answer every time I put the





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