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Federation of Trade Unions.

I had him to lunch at the Cosmopolitan Club. I did it because it was convenient for me. I don't think I'd ever had him there before, but I had a very busy day, and I had sort of based on the Club, and it was easier for me to ask him there than anywhere else.

Interviewer:

That's where you lived whenever you went to New York?

Perkins:

Well, I stayed there usually. I sometimes stayed with friends, but I was there more than any other place.

On this occasion we lunched peacefully enough, and he told me about various programs and projects that he had. He was very elated--that's the only word I can think of to use-- very elated and very swelling out his chest, which he sometimes did when he was elated and emotional. He was very pleased with this World Federation of Trade Unions.

I tried to win him away from it. My arguments were to be cautious and not to go all-out for it, and to stick with what we had and make the best of this, and so forth and so on. Finally, when we came downstairs into the lounge, we had a little corner to ourselves and he said, “No, no, This is the only thing for labor to do--to go into a great federation of all the trade unions in the world, and put the labor force where it can control things--where it can control





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