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everything that happens in life!”

His nostrils began to swell, spread out, and his voice was very emotional, very tense--“No, no! This is the only thing! This is the thing to do. We will get into the United Nations through this World Federation of Trade Unions. We will dominate the United Nations. We will have the chance to put labor people in control of life and in control of what happens. This is the only way to stop war. It's the only way to have good conditions. It is the only way to handle the economies of the world, and this is what we are going to do.”

Then I would try to say, “Aren't there certain practical difficulties?” and so forth, “You know, you've get the Russians there, and Kuznetzov--”

“Kuznetzov is an absolutely reliable man. I have talked with him on a number of occasions. I've met him on a number of occasions, and I'm sure he's all right, and I'm sure we can handle him,” and so forth. “The great labor unions of the world are ready to back this--”

I said to him, “But, see here. In this country we have got a great stake in what we've already done. You know, if this should happen, and this World Federation of Trade Unions should become as powerful as you think and estimate that it will be, you realize, don't you, that there's going to be an immediate reaction against it in the United States--not only among the