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brown, and he was very tall, strong--he would stride off. He was dramatic in his appearance, and a lot of people fell for that. He would wrinkle his brows and nod and look very wise and so forth. He had a great reputation--of course he had a great reputation in Indiana. He taught law all right at the University of Indiana at Bloomington, and apparently was very able to teach law. Therefore, your limits are laid down. And I'm told by many that he was a good Governor of Indiana. It's almost impossible for Indiana to have a good Governor, I'm told, under its laws, but he was really better than most, and I'll take their word for it. But he certainly never showed any great style in the Federal Government.

Do you know anything about his work in the Philippines?

Nothing whatever. I just know he was, and that's all.

The War Manpower Commission was appointed and duly met, and it met every Friday afternoon--I guess every Thursday afternoon it met. I went always. I never failed, I think. I turned up every single time. I tried to do my duty by it. I tried to do the right thing. I tried to keep my mind on it, I tried to represent the interests of labor and of other people too, and to move the thing along. Other people seemed to be there--now this is really true, and I felt it from the