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beginning--for the purpose of being obstructionists.

Army, Navy, I thought were quite obstructionist. Sometimes Agriculture seemed to be obstructionist, and there were a number of other people in there who seemed to be -- Well, Arthur Flemming certainly wasn't obstructionist, except that he dreamed such big dreams that in order to do them, you had to disrupt the whole United States, to get his scheme going.

Among other things that McNutt presented to us one day was a program of the cooperation between business, labor, and the War Manpower Commission. There was no lack of cooperation, but nevertheless, it would be a good thing to have it all organized.

By this time, we had established regional offices all over the country, regional branches. There were state branches, and then there were sub-state branches, of the War Manpower Commission. An awful lot of money laid out on salaries to maintain those offices, although the primary parformers in these offices were non-salaried persons, which is always a mistake. It's the very busy, harassed operator in some special field--a manufacturer, or a leading lawyer, or a leading banker, or a leading clergyman, or somebody who has all he can do with his own job, but yes, he'll be Chairman of the regional Manpower Commission. So he goes intending to,