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he might have changed it.

I saw Hattan Sumners while I was down there. He lives on the campus at Texas A. and M. He's professor of law, emeritus, and has a nice little apartment somewhere there on the campus. He came in to see me, and we had a lovely talk, a great reunion. That was very pleasant.

I did quite a bit in New York State, and other places. I had to examine my conscience a good deal about this, because you know there is a rule that civil servants may not take part in political campaigns. I was the Civil Service Commissioner, but I wasn't a civil servant. Oh, no, no--I've never been a civil servant. It has generally been held and ruled by the courts that persons appointed by the President are never subject to this rule, so I wasn't subject to the rule, but it was really bad taste, you know, from the point of view of Mr. Harry Mitchell. I had a long talk with him, and he thought it was awfully poor to go out campaigning. I said, “Well, I don't know that it is. I'm open about it. I'm frank about it. I make it clear that I'm not a civil servant, I'm an appointive officer. I expect to go if the Administration changes.”

“But you don't have to,” he said, “because they have to keep a Democrat. They have to have a Democrat.”

At any rate, I decided it was the right thing to do. I mean, I had a conviction. Also, I had a conviction about the