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it was, I thought, admirable. I was really quite enthusiastic about his campaign. I thought it was first rate.

I know there are people who disagree with us on that, and there are people I know who voted for Eisenhower who had always voted on the Democratic ticket before, because they have some curious secret unexplained feeling that Stevenson wouldn't be all right. Quite a good many Democrats voted for Eisenhower--people who call themselves Democrats, and always have voted the Democratic ticket. Oh yes, quite a good many did. I mean, Eisenhower's charm was enormous. He wasn't elected just by Republican votes, you know. I think even some of the bona fide party Democrats voted for Eisenhower, though. I'm pretty sure some of the people that were just party Democrats voted for him.

Now, when did you first get the idea that you were about to be eased out?

Oh, I didn't get the idea that I was about to be eased out. At any rate, anybody who is an appointive officer invariably resigns in a change of Administration--and usually even if the same President is re-elected. I mean, you give him that opportunity to relieve himself of the burden of your presence, if he wants to.

The day after election, I was pretty sure there wouldn't be any place for me, and we started in. Mr. Ramspeck was then