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asked me if I felt sure I was going to be out, and I said yes, I did, I felt pretty sure, no question about it. My resignation was prepared and would be sent over, and I thought probably within a few weeks I would be out.

But I wasn't, you see. It was held over until I think the 10th of April. It was the 10th or the 12th of April that it was accepted, and I was leaving town the next day for Illinois. Then the word came, a very polite letter from Mr. Eisenhower saying that he thanked me for my services and so forth and accepted my resignation. I don't think he “regretted” but he said how much he liked me and so on, that sort of thing. So I was out that day, That next day I left--immediately. I was all packed up and ready to go.

It was, though, a terrible job to pack up that office--almost as much of a job as it is to pack up here.

I went to Illinois and lectured there during April and May, until the first of June, and then I went down East. We worked a while on the interviews, but we didn't work all summer. I can't remember what I did in the summer of '53, or where I was living. What I did with Lilian. I was here--I was here quite a lot. I guess I gave her a month's vacation and let her go up to Maine by herself.

You've done some other lecturing in the Midwest too?