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Yes. I've done it at Wisconsin and Chicago. I was at Chicago in the autumn and winter of '53, and I was at Wisconsin in the autumn of '54.

And then your last great our de force was at the American Historical Association meeting.

Oh, that wasn't anything. I made a pleasant approach to the members, but they didn't regard me as a scholar.

Call it what you wish, but you wowed them.

Well, it's very easy to wow a group of historians! You just have to be pleasant.

I've made a good many other speeches around the country, sometimes staying as much as three or four days. It's been a very disorganizing process, but very pleasant, because I've enjoyed very much the contact with the modern faculty and with the modern student, particularly the people that are in the group of graduate students. I have an idea that in the Midwestern colleges, the undergraduate students are not very interesting, but perhaps it was just that I wasn't let loose on them much.

I believe recently you made some disposition of your papers?

Yes. In the summer of 1955, I decided to give my