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he never did go to Harvard University, although he'd been claiming it regularly. Well, he was an awful nice man, a nice Negro fellow with amiability. He came over and explained it to me, and he said he took lessons of a man that was in Harvard, and that was how he'd said he'd been to Harvard. He'd always taken great pride in that. It was just that Negro pride, you know. He couldn't help it. We didn't impose the penalty of the law on him, although it could have been done. He certainly had profited by his deception.
You as a Commissioner didn't actually do these things--you didn't hand a list to anybody, did you?
Oh, no, no. We had an organization. We set up the examinations. We have a big examining department, and they set up the examinations for a great variety of posts. That's what the department does. The Commissioners approve the examinations. If there's any change--not in the questions asked, but any change in the pattern of examination--or in the method of examination--then the Commissioners have to approve that in great detail, you see, because it's a departure from the routine methods.
Also, of course, if anybody makes a kick about the examination, he makes a kick to a Commissioner. The Commissioner can then send out for the examination, and even can send for
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