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this man's examination papers, and can send for the examination, and you learn some very strange things when you see the examination. You say to yourself, So what does this mean? This seems sort of ridiculous?”--because of the new methods of examining. They're not examined so much on subject matter as they are examined on their capacity to understand. It's the same thing that's happening in the public schools. And I think it's really getting a poorer quality of people, myself, but when you say that to the examiners in the Civil Service Commission, they say, “But think what it would cost to score and rate papers that dealt with subject matter!”

You can score these true-false questions, you see, by a machine. You run them through a machine, and they're either false or true. That's that, and somebody points, and they go into the upper third, or they go into the second third, or they go into the discards. It's a very economical method of examining.

Well, that of course you have to master. Principally you're engaged in equalizing the differences between people, and you discuss the policies, and you decide what is the best policy. You work out a statement for all Civil Service personnel. You have to determine the rights of promotion.

Among other things, we had this situation after the War.