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What did they talk about, big plots?

Well, plots, and people in the Government who had another aim in life, another role in life, were really serving the interests of another nation--Russia, by implication.

Didn't the question of spies come up?

Yes, the question of spies came up. I raised the question, “Well, aren't they spies?”

Well, these are people whom you can't call spies. In other words, they are not people who are in the pay of a foreign government, apparently. These are people who are American citizens, who work for the Government of the United States, and who are ready and willing to provide information, which they have done surreptitiously, to foreign governments.

I said, “Well, were there any in the period before the great War?”

He said, “There were, I think.” As a matter of fact, they mentioned a few. I said, “I'm sure there were some that must have wormed their way into the Government, who represented the interests of Germany and were looking out for information that would help Germany. I don't know what it could have been or where it could have been, but certainly that's the kindof thing we're prepared for.”